Science and religion are spirit-sister energy-disciplines.
They are not antagonistic towards each other… although some people within these fields are… to each other, to an idea, towards a data-set, or against a search of self in conjunction with an idea, data-set, hypothesis, theory or philosophy… especially if it conflicts with what they’ve accepted as a truth.
A true scientist that recognizes this, reworks his methods, improves his hypothesis.
A true religious practitioner, if feeling this, alters her perspective and daily practices based on new information.
Why is society fooled into thinking such that these are adversaries?
..what a travesty.
Religion is the arts of social workings, while science is the research of mechanical workings.
Both mechanistic; both social.
Both deal in psychology, politics, morality, philosophy, ethics, action, reaction, cause-&-effect, etc…
Yet neither expose any exact notions of “a god”, God, or not-god.
In this sense it sounds like we are contemplating/conjuring/experimenting with and about a direction of intent, .. doesn’t it?
How about this:
It is said that God is only known when you go within yourself.
It is also said God is only experienced in times of reflection.
..and lets be honest here, God is generally argued about by those without real world personal experience of.. other than what was read about in a few old books.
I mean why would you argue if something was true to you?
You’d just “live it”, wouldn’t you?
If you had irrefutable “personal” evidence, would you waste your years in a debate?
..something to consider.
Either way, sounds like the topic of whether God exists is a “spirit” matter.
As in SPIRITUALITY. .. of which holds the workings of both science and religion, magic, the secrets of the universe, occult findings, ritual, experimentation, art, medicine, alchemy, technology, … trace back the roots of religion and the roots of science and you’ll find a person’s search for self.
WHAT IS THE SPIRIT ANIMATING IT ALL?
“I’m not here to prove to you my personal experiences”..
… this seems to be the closest thing to a battle cry someone with a direct experience would ever have to say if such a need for a debate should arise. … Don’t ya think?
Being comfortable with ourselves enough to enjoy such an experience as “knowing God”.. I mean it’s not like we are talking about cheddar versus mozzarella here, we are talking about the big cheese.
Don’t you think knowing God would put a human’s mind at ease?
You’d think that would be the case…
For those interested in going within:
…. maybe go with researching the idea of identity first.
… this could be an interesting and insightful, fun place to start:
a “search for this elusive God” while connecting with your own identity.
Maybe …Begin the search from within your ‘self’ for yourself first.
Uncover who you are little by little.. like peeling away onion-layers, or by adding an onion to an entrée.. subtract from your selfness / add to your selfhood… try both and experience what is uncovered. .. Reflect, take notes…
YOU COULD ASK YOURSELF QUESTIONS LIKE:
Am I the brain’s thinking responses?
Am I the heartbeat?
Am I sexual attraction?
Am I hungry for pizza?
What part of me is hungry for pizza?
How do I know she loves me?
How can I be sure she does?
Am I projecting an image of love?
Am I real, is she real? … What is reality?
Am I the person that others see?
Who am I around myself?
Who am I around this group of people or that other group of folks?
What’s the difference between being alone and loneliness?
Isolation or chosen solitude.. are these mental constructs, or are these social.., or both?
Whether it’s making yourself, breaking yourself, trying new things, destroying bits of yourself, improving yourself, or in studying yourself & others, this is self research.
People make better friends when they give it a shot to know themselves first, don’t ya think?
In my opinion it is a good place to start.
I endorse self reflection and getting to know yourself in this world.
What is under the surfaces of your desires, cravings, and doings…
Who is the doer, the doing, what within you has left it done, or to be done, or undone??
Why are you hesitant? Why are you confident here, but not over here?
And, can I change to become confident anywhere?
…..How can you honestly know ‘another’ unless you first know yourself?
This is a question that has been asked of ourselves for centuries.
It has been said that you can only know what is recognizable.
Do you think this is true?
How can we actually know something unless we can relate to it in some ‘way’?
Knowing how things work gets you no closer to being, seeing, nor realizing God.
A bit ironic yes/no?
Same with making things, or destroying things, because …neither prove, nor disprove, God.
You.. you are God’s proof.
What you uncover, your personal detective work.. you, your personal experience, ..
..this is a proof of God, …… right?
In this sense a christian, jew, hindu, moslem, satanist, pagan, and atheist are all the same unless they have had a direct personal experience with God.
…Because unless this, then God/Source is still a story.. still somebody elses words.
You’ve got to know for your own sake before blathering on about it.
It’s not about proving anything to anyone else.
It’s like saying pizza doesn’t exist until you’ve eaten some.
It’s like trying to prove that your slice is better than your neighbors slice cuz it has garlic on it.
God, is personal?
is this where I’m going with this?
And then of course there is that pesky question, “can God/Source be experienced?”
…. If you believe so, then you will seek until you are confirmed of such.
If you do not believe, then you will not search (nor search as deeply, nor as hard as someone whom does), and that most certainly will be confirmation enough for you.
It has been said that if you do not believe in magic then you will not see it, nor experience it.
Pagans say this all the time. Christians say this about miracles too. As well scientists and astronomers and archeologists and anthropologists ask us to believe in their findings as well.
Everyone has data! Everyone holds a piece of the pizza! (piece of the puzzle!)
Together we’ve tried to get together and agree on our perceptions and “points of view”… has it worked?? …sort of.. sometimes.. other times not really all that well.
There is an art to COMING TOGETHER.
I starts with being comfortable with who we are, what we personally “know via our own experiences”, and as well, how comfortable have we become in sharing this with others (publicly or privately).
Can an activity conjure up a-god, spur on the sighting of a god, God, or data enough to prove the non existence of?
It is said that some magic and some miracles are real.
I’ve come to know this to be true.
…by personal experience.
Yes, recognizing God begins with belief.
However is knowing God realized only though faith?
Same is said that “hope alone” will not bring you out of debt, ..only doing something mentally in conjunction with physically will produce a result.
… And yet miracles happen all the time.. Some magic is real.. And,.. and science has uncovered not just our universe, but a multi-verse of unlimited pathways!…
All are personalized and factual to the uncovering detective.
All of this is exciting!
For how many stories of people realizing God during a period of devout atheism?!!
God is infamous for popping into the lives of skeptics.
…this is not new news.
Does God Exist?
Seek to know the self… then you can recognize how you must “be” in this place..
…because “being” is the route.
… or so I’ve heard.
.. and so I’ve experienced.
Maybe a mantra, a prayer, meditation, or posture, or knowledge, or skill-set, … or maybe not..
… Maybe it is basketball, or rock climbing, or cooking for your family… or playing extreme metal music on stage… at some point things begin to click.
You most assuredly at the very least begin to discover and know yourself for the better anyway.
What harm would that do?
Hearing about a celebrity is not knowing that person.
Neither is watching footage, reading about, or fantasizing about them going to give you a direct experience… And even if you do meet them, they could still be acting.
Something to think about.
God is a only but a subject, a concept, unless you’ve experienced God for your “self”.
Only then is God your personal reality.
……… buddhists and hindus say to treat others as if they are a god in disguise.
.. hmmm… Angels pretending to be humans.. Demons pretending to be humans… People pretending to be artists, doctors, journalists, lovers, bashful, hardcore, sexy, mysterious, grown-up…. Masks are everywhere. What can be known truly known to anyone about anyone else????
What if data in itself is a trickster? What then?
Psychologists have time and time again asked us to recognize that our senses are not always trustworthy when deciphering a situation.
… Hell, even modern satanists have said this in many of their songs and literature.
So ya have ask yourself, how do we know ‘truth’?
Easy. (thankfully) …
ANSWER: You have to ignore the senses and use your intuition; the feeling within your feelings are the key.
…So ok… wait a minute.
With this train of thought…. Why argue at all over science or religion if God is a personal experience set up on “maybe-logic” socially to begin with???
In a sense god/God isn’t in a faith unless you’ve placed it there, via what you’ve uncovered or known to know what to uncover about yourself, the universe, and the connections between it all. ….And…, proof isn’t a set of equations either,… for if it were, than no one would write or discuss the matter any further. It would be a done deal.
Thus, I’m postulating (…)
You are the closest thing to God that can ever be recognizable for the rest of humanity to witness.
You, as in: yourself.
The experiences that you are willing to personalize enough in order to elaborate on/of.. for another to hear about.
… This is the only proof there can be.
… you, you, YOU.
And even this is spotty logic!
For the word ‘rock’ isn’t really a definition…. Or the words; ‘gravity’, ‘human’, or ‘earth’, can mean many things in the eyes of another.
Can we trust anyone who has said they’ve met The Big Colby-Jack in the sky?!?!
ANSWER: You must define your life.
What you experience you must define.
What you are willing to be open to, you must define.
Otherwise what is the purpose of living at all?
…… well ok, there is another reason..
… Oh, ya, … duh…I almost forgot that the reason we are here at all is:
It is said that God is love.
It is said that you are love.
It is known that devoted scientists love their research.
It is also said that believers love their faiths.
.. and atheists love finding and rubbing people’s noses in all the illogical bullshit of organized religions.
So love is kinda everywhere ain’t it?
…. … Seems to me that the commonality here is the word love.
Love thyself, Love others if you can, Love what you do, Love how and who you are, Love is all around you, Love is all there is… etc, etc, ad infinitum.
And it is said that even in the most heinous of failing romances ‘love’ has a funny tendency to uncover everything that “we are” to ourselves and about the other person.
I guess if I was to know God I’d start with love.
….And knowing thyself as love by being love in action, in thought, in feeling… in response.. That ( to me anyways) might be an appropriate course of action??
At least it would open up the ability to meet more people, don’t ya think?
Maybe it is cliché to say that God is Love..
.. however, clichés are notorious for being perceived as truths…
Albeit stereotypical ones.
Probably because they are common relatable truths.
Do I believe in God?
Or a god for that matter?
Am I an atheist?
…Well…. (in story form..)
…I’ll tell ya… There was this bus driver that once told me as I was getting off a bus, “don’t lie, tell her the truth” without even knowing my background! …. As I stepped off the bus in downtown Minneapolis one cold evening I turned and looked at the man perplexed and bewildered. And I’d never even spoken to the driver ever in my life… at all!…
Not ever. WTF.!?!
So how would he know what might happen if I opened my mouth to the person I was going to meet???
I’ll spare you the drama and gory details, but let’s put it this way: the feeling of that encounter still sits within me today. As in, 5 years ago this happened.
For me that evening was pretty fucking odd to have a random bus driver give me advice on something that was about to happen, of which he knew nothing about me, nor the situation…
… That’s some weird shit to say the least don’t ya think?
…Stupidly, stubbornly, … embarrassingly, I did lie.
And as I lied I immediately felt deep down within my soul I was making a huge mistake.
Instantly an image of the bus driver was shaking his head was within my consciousness, and I heard a soft deep calm voice within me say, “when will you ever learn..”
Really odd to me when I think about that night… really odd.
Because of my lie things did not work out between.. well.. as I said, I’ll spare the world my sob story..
I should have listened to that (g)od / bus driver.
I wonder how my life would have been different?
… So to answer the question…
Either way, I Am Listening Now.
Namaste, and Good Tidings,